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Playoff Questions: Much ado about conference champions

Last week's question showed strong support for a 3-4 round playoff, with a pure plus one taking second place. The BCS and my preferred flexible design tied for third. The comments leaned strongly for a 16 team playoff.

This week we begin looking at who should be invited to the playoff, specifically what do we do with conference champions.

Do we let them all participate? Do we require all participants to win their conference? Do we through out conference results altogether and use rankings alone? Can some conferences earn a privileged seeding?

A look at these ideas after the jump.

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Invite all conference champion

This concept benefits from guaranteeing all teams access prior to the season. Win your conference and you are in.

Inviting all champions forces a four round playoff for at least six teams. I am not sure most people, especially fans, are opposed to watching four rounds of games. University presidents and athletic directors have a much larger say than most people and would have serious concerns.

The biggest weakness of this idea is that teams can be very bad and win a conference. FSU gets heat for winning the ACC at 9-4, but that is nothing. Sun Belt, MAC and C-USA champions rarely finish in the top 25. The lowest ranked conference is often lower than #50 in the computer rankings. North Texas won the Sun Belt with a record of 5-6 in 2001. Why should a team winning a mediocre conference be preferred over a runner up in a stronger conference?

Another issue is how to make this design fair to independents.

Require participants to be a conference champion

Here we swing the pendulum entirely the other way. Now, rather than making conference championships an automatic qualification we are making them a requirement to narrow the field.

This concept resonates with the idea that if you aren't the best team in your conference, how can you be the best team in the nation?

The weakness is that often one of the teams in the top two spots fail to win their conference.

It should be noted that these first two are not mutually exclusive. Again issues arise due to independents.

Ignore conference championships

Just use the top 8, 16, however many, teams and seed them, regardless of championship status.

This plan allows all teams with a reasonable claim to the title at the end of the season an opportunity to play for the title.

A major weakness is that a tournament would weaken the perceived value of the regular season and conference championships strongly support the value of the regular season. To undermine the conference championships would further undermine the regular season.

Compromise

I don't recall the last time a one loss team from any conference was not ranked in the top 25.

Allow all conference champions in the top 25 to participate. Fill in the remaining spots with the highest ranked teams.

This provides a strong balance between access for all conferences and requiring some degree of merit, while respecting the conference champions.

A weakness is that the rankings are subjective, which might be an issue if a conference champion is high in the ORV column.

Earned benefits

The idea here is that conference strength should count for something. A twelve team design would allow four conference champions to have a bye week. The top four teams that year are a solid choice here, another option is to give these spots to the champions of the four highest ranked conferences in the previous four years.

This would add interest to the regular season because games outside the conference your team is in would effect the ranking of your team's conference and your team's chances at a bye the following year.

A major drawback is the subjectivity of the conference rankings. How would you combine the three BCS conference metrics?

Poll
How should conference championships effect tournament selection?
Win your conference, your in
8 votes
Lose your conference, your out
1 votes
Ignore the confernece winners, top ranked teams are in
0 votes
Conference champions above some threshold in, top ranked teams fill holes
8 votes

17 votes | Poll has closed

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Any scheme which does not put in conference champs is a non starter

Conference champs get you to 12 teams 10 of whom are usually top 15 teams. You have two outliers (usually the MAC and SBC) who are either not ranked or ranked in the 20’s.

The whole purpose behind a playoff system if that the ranking system is not perfect…

so 12 Conference Champs + the best ranked 4 teams who did not win their conference..
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That being said I still think a 16 team playoff will kill college football…

by Tim Riordan on May 19, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I am not sure requiring 10 wins is a non starter.

That would also elevate the dependence on the polls.

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by utesfan100 on May 19, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just what we need

More excuses for cupcake’s on the schedule….

by Tim Riordan on May 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given a 16-team playoff...

I don’t think there are any serious drawbacks to inviting all 11 conference champs. 5 at-large spots is plenty to invite any independents, conference co-champs that lost a tiebreaker, and other really good teams that failed to win their conference.

Yes, the Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA champs often aren’t very good, so we’re mostly just setting them up to get killed in a road game against a top-3 school (likely a traditional megapower like Florida or Ohio State or USC). But all we’re saying by inviting all conference champs is that they get a chance — not necessarily a good one. And if an unheralded Sun Belt team can win the tournament, they certainly deserve the title.

by drothgery on May 19, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

best way

Agree, plus there would be a trickle down effect for some players who want immediate playing to go to say North Texas where they will have a chance to play in the tourney. The talent would not be a ton but a few players go to North Texas over Texas Tech or Baylor would improve that team quite a bit.

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by Jeremy Mauss on May 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compromise

Like that idea that you must be in the top 25 and a conference champ to get in. That would rarely include all 11 but rather at least 8 champs each year. A good idea to keep the playoff set with good teams.

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by Jeremy Mauss on May 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Better than the BCS

… but that runs into problems with ties (especially in the Big Ten, where you can have ties between teams that did not play), and the 2008 Big 12 South.

by drothgery on May 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

With a field of 16

most of those cases would be handled with the at large selections.

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by utesfan100 on May 19, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main reason why I advocate a field of 16 with all 11 conference champs getting an autobid is that it gives every team a chance to make the playoffs (except independents) no matter what pollsters, computer rankings, or the selection committee thinks of them. Independents don’t get a completely objective shot at the playoffs, but that’s the price they pay for being an independent; they’ll still get an at-large bid if they’re a legit title contender.

by drothgery on May 19, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think reasonable restrictions can be applied

Not all conference champions deserve a chance. I concede that using the rankings is problematic.

How is requiring conference champions to have nine FCS wins for an automatic berth limiting a completely objective shot at the playoffs?

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by utesfan100 on May 19, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has two big problems

It strongly favors schools that can afford to buy games with bottom-tier FBS teams (giving an easy win that counts), and it favors conferences with championship games (giving the winner another FBS win).

by drothgery on May 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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