Dominoes: Big 12 Edition
Our look at conference expansion possibilities now turns to the BIG 12. The first thing that should be noted is that the BIG 12 has no interest in expanding.
So far we have looked at BIG 10 and PAC 10 options and both included potential BIG 12 members. For the BIG 12 conference realignment is mostly a matter of replacing any teams they may lose.
... Unless is becomes a matter of survival ...
If the BIG 12 loses a team or two they will look to take TCU or BYU from the MWC, or even Arkansas from the SEC (if they can swing it.) Houston, Tulsa and Air Force might get some consideration, but the short list is above.
But what if the Rose Bowl and their cronies decide they want to knock out a conference or two out of the BCS pie? Could the master plan be to knock the BIG 12 out of the BCS in 2014?
The BIG 10 expansion talk has focused on the Missouri Tigers, Pittsburgh Panthers and Texas Longhorns. I know that Football is not the only issue, but budgets are tight and football is a major issue. If the BIG 10 were to look at the Big East, BIG 12 and independents as up for grabs and examine the impact of each on their BCS automatic qualification criteria, which teams provide improvements?
The Texas Longhorns, Oklahoma Sooners, and Cincinnati Bearcats are the top three choices. Whats that? No way they take Cincinnati? Ok, the West Virginia Mountaineers are next. Not good enough? Next up are the Missouri Tigers.
What if the BIG 10 expands by taking Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri? The BIG 12 loses almost all their present BCS credibility, that's what.
How many top 25 teams does the rest of the BIG 12 produce each year? Not many. In fact, if the MWC added the Boise St. Broncos by then they would be higher than the BIG 12 remnants for an automatic qualification in 2014. This could make it difficult for the BIG 12 to draw MWC teams to their table. Would the TCU Horned Frogs face more top 25 teams with the Broncos, BYU Cougars and Utah Utes on their schedule every year than with eight of the remaining BIG 12 teams? It might make more sense at that point for the Texas Tech Red Raiders and Texas A&M Aggies to join the MWC.
The BIG 12 could be aided slightly in this event by a PAC 10 expansion involving Utah. If BYU is selected the BIG 12 would be restored to a position of dominance and free pickings of whoever they want of the remaining teams. If the Colorado Buffaloes are the expansion partner the scales between the MWC and BIG 12 remnants would be nearly balanced.
A BIG 10 expansion of Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri, followed by a PAC 10 expansion of Utah and Colorado could unravel two conferences at the same time. If this move is made in 2013 the effects would be devastating, as the BIG 12 remnants would not have time to earn the rankings they would without Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri on their schedules before the next BCS evaluation period.
Of course the BIG 10 also likes their history. They also like to think they are kings of the sports world. They might like to prove they are still the conference everyone really wants to be in. This all makes the following BIG 10 expansion interesting:
Texas, Oklahoma and the Arkansas Razorbacks.
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I still don't think anyone is going to expand beyond 12 soon
So assuming the Big 12 loses Missouri and Colorado (and that’s still a big assumption), and don’t want to take any more Texas schools and shift Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the North division, BYU and Arkansas are really the only choices left. I don’t think Texas or Oklahoma are going anywhere. If it happens, I will buy a Big 11 (14?) hat and eat it. Then I reckon we take Georgia Tech or Clemson (I’ve heard more noise about Clemson, but Tech has an SEC legacy and even as a Dawg fan I’d be willing to let them crawl back), the ACC takes UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers or South Florida, and the Big East and MWC get to work.
by commodore_dude on Feb 5, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is no way...
Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri would all leave the Big XII. What is so much better in the Big 11 than in the Big XII anyway? In other words, what’s the incentive for these teams to make this move?
I'll have what you're smoking!
by ksuwild on Feb 5, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Big 10 TV Revenue would pay better than Big 12 TV Revenue.
Here are last year’s figures revenue figures.
If the Big 10 expands to 14 they would distribute $154.2 Million / 14 teams = $11.0 M per team. They don’t play favorites in the Big 10 like the Big 12 does.
This assumes the TV revenue is constant with teh addition of Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri.
In the Big 12 Texas gets $10.2 Million, Oklahoma $9.8 Million and Missouri $8.4 Million.
If Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri increase the BIG 10 revenue share to $200 Million Texas would make an extra $4 Million per year in the Big 10 than they are making in the Big 12. That would be $1 Million per extra Big 10 away game, more than enough to cover the added travel expenses.
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by utesfan100 on Feb 5, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose...
but it still seems like a bad fit to have a Texas team flying to Pennsylvania and vice versa. They may make more money in the Big 10 but what about Missouri’s rivalry with Kansas in both basketball and football. OU’s rivalry with Oklahoma State. Texas’s rivalry with A&M etc. etc. There is too much tradition involved, and geographically it makes not sense to me.
I'll have what you're smoking!
by ksuwild on Feb 5, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Conference alignment
has not ended the following rivalries:
USC Notre Dame
Florida FSU
Georgia vs. Georgia Tech
Clemson vs. South Carolina
Thier is plenty of room in the current schedules for maintaining one extra strong rivalry game outside your confernece.
It is a shame Pittsburgh and Penn State can’t seem to figure this out.
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by utesfan100 on Feb 6, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Pitt's all for playing Penn State...
… even if it were a ‘neutral site’ game in Philly every year or something like that (which is to say effectively a home game for Penn State — heck, at Heinz Field it’d still be nearly a home game for Penn State). JoePa doesn’t want to play Pitt, so PSU doesn’t play Pitt.
by drothgery on Feb 7, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a very questionable point...
None of those teams actually left the same conference. In fact, USC v ND and Georgia v Tech, there wasn’t even a conference alignment to begin with. And if you want to discuss rivalries that have ended, there are about 10 that ended when the 4 Texas schools left for the Big XII alone (and that is just one conference change), unless you don’t think that TCU and Houston fans didn’t think that playing the likes of UT and A&M was a big deal. UT and OU joining the Big Ten is pretty unlikely so I wont bother the comment, but to think that KU and NU will happily play Missou after Missou shuns their own conference (if it leaves for the Big Ten) is naive.
by meatybob on Feb 9, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Tech was in the SEC until 1964… and with us in the SIAA and then the Socon from 1895.
by commodore_dude on Feb 10, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas is too big for the Big Ten...
If Texas is really up for grabs, the SEC, which is or in 5 years will be the wealthiest conference, would only be more than happy to expand to accept Texas. That or UT goes independent. Also, OU really adds the same sexiness as Nebraska, kinda absurd to think the Big Ten would go out of their way to snatch OU with Neb much closer.
The Big XII TV contract is horrible, but it ends in 2016, and logically, should be considerable better after that time, if the Big XII holds together.
But Nebraska will be fine. No way a BCS conference lets what Forbes Mag found to be the 4th wealthiest program in the NCAAs twisting in the wind.
by meatybob on Feb 9, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs









