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BCS Standings: November 15th 2009 + BCS & Complete Conference Races and Analysis

Gaps in the standings indicate standings differences more than 0.06 in the standings.

Notes are made for the highest ranked teams from each conference, independents (ind), and all non-automatic qualifying conference members. (non-AQ)

Team must be in the top 14 to be eligible for a BCS at-large bid.

Rank Team BCS Average BCS Top 25 Teams Remaining Notes
1 Florida .9833 Alabama SEC #1
2 Alabama .9521 Florida
3 Texas .9261 None Big 12 #1
4 TCU .8685 None
MWC #1, non-AQ #1
5 Cincinnati .8536 Pittsburgh Big East #1
6 Boise State .7950 None WAC #1, non-AQ
7 Georgia Tech .7716 None ACC #1
8 LSU .6648 None
9 Pittsburgh .6569 Cincinnati
10 Ohio State .6495 None Big Ten #1
11 Oregon .6265 Oregon State PAC 10 #1
12 Oklahoma State .4708 None
13 Iowa .4529 None
14 Penn State .4127 None
--- BCS Eligibility Line ---
15 Virginia Tech .4036 None
16 Wisconsin .3583 None
17 Stanford .3406 California
18 USC .2714 None
19 Oregon St. .2487 Oregon
20 Miami (FL) .1936 None
21 Utah .1910 BYU non-AQ
22 BYU .1874 Utah non-AQ
23 Clemson .1829 None
24 Houston .1150 None C-USA #1, non-AQ
25 California .0935 Stanford

Number of top 25 teams per conference:
5: PAC 10
4: ACC, Big 10
3: SEC, MWC
2: Big 12, Big East
1: WAC, C-USA
0: MAC, Sun Belt

What this all means after the jump...

Star-divide

Not much stir in the top of this weeks standings, especially near the top.  Half of this weeks top 25 losses were between ranked teams and the rest were by teams out of the top 15, and USC who I have thought should have been outside the top 15. 

TCU closed to barely within the .06 cutoff I use to determine a significant gap.  Other gaps contracted or were filled with moving teams lower in the standings as well.

Race to the National Championship Game

The only change this week is that TCU passes Cincinnati due to an impressive win over Utah.  Cincinnati will have a chance to impress the voters if they can dominate Pittsburgh.   Also, with the season winding down the top three will likely start sliding down further to account for the difficulty in recovering from a loss later in the season.  TCU and Cincinnati might start getting in better position in the case where one of these teams lose.

The second batch of teams would be close enough that public sentiment at the time of the final standings would have the final say.

  • Florida
  • Alabama
  • Texas
  •  
  • Florida with a loss
  • Alabama with a loss
  • Texas with a loss
  • TCU
  • Cincinnati
  • Georgia Tech
  • Boise State

Race to the BCS Automatic Qualifications

Having established the conference tiebreakers, and with a few games left, it is now reasonable to break down the conference races in gory detail.

ACC Atlantic W-L GB Conference Losses
Clemson 5-2 0.0 Maryland, Georgia Tech
Boston College 4-2 0.5 Clemson, Virginia Tech
ACC Coastal


Georgia Tech 6-1 0.0 Miami(FL)

Clemson can win the Atlantic division with a win or a Boston College loss.  Otherwise Boston college will win the Atlantic. 

Georgia Tech has clinched the Coastal division.

Big 12 North W-L GB Conference Losses
Nebraska 4-2 0.0 Iowa State, Texas Tech
Kansas St. 4-3 0.5 Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Missouri
Big 12 South


Texas 6-0 0.0 None
Oklahoma St. 5-1 1.0 Texas

Kansas State travels to Nebraska this weekend and the winner of that game will clinch the Big 12 North.  This Kansas State's final game and they played two teams from the FCS and only one can count for bowl eligibility.  Kansas State needs to win this game to be bowl eligible.

Texas can clinch the Big 12 South with a win or an Oklahoma State loss.  Otherwise Oklahoma State will win the Big 12 South.

Big East W-L GB Conference Losses
Cincinnati 6-0 0.0 None
Pittsburgh 5-0 0.5 None

Cincinnati travels to Pittsburgh on December the 5th for a game that will determine the Big East's BCS automatic qualification.

Big 10 W-L GB Conference Losses
Ohio St. 6-1 0.0 Purdue

Ohio State will be in the Rose Bowl representing the Big 10 this year.

PAC 10 W-L GB Conference Losses
Oregon 6-1 0.0 Stanford
Stanford 6-2 0.5 Arizona, Oregon State
Oregon St. 5-2 1.0 Arizona, USC
Arizona 4-2 1.5 Washington, California
USC 4-3 2.0 Washington, Oregon, Stanford 
California 4-3 2.0 Oregon, USC, Oregon State

Arizona travels to Oregon this week for the lead spot for the PAC 10's Rose Bowl spot.  If either team wins out they will win the PAC 10's Rose Bowl berth.

If Oregon wins and loses to Oregon State:
- If Oregon State beats WSU, then Oregon State wins.
- If WSU beats Oregon State and Stanford beats California then Stanford wins.
- If WSU beats Oregon State and California beats Stanford then Oregon wins.

If Arizona wins and loses to ASU or USC and Oregon beats Oregon State:
- If Stanford beats California or then Stanford wins.
- If California beats Stanford then Oregon wins.

If Arizona wins and loses to ASU or USC and Oregon State beats Oregon:
- If Oregon State beats WSU then Oregon State wins.
- If WSU beats Oregon State and Stanford beats California then Stanford wins.
- If WSU beats Oregon State and California beats Stanford:
-.- If Arizona beats ASU but loses to USC, USC beats UCLA and California beats Washington, then USC wins.
-.- If Arizona beats ASU but loses to USC and UCLA beats USC or Washington beats California, then Arizona wins.
-.- If Arizona beats USC but loses to ASU then Arizona wins.
-.- If Arizona loses to both ASU and USC then Oregon State wins.

It is possible for California to get a share of the PAC 10 title but they can not win the tiebreaker in any case.

 

SEC East W-L GB Conference Losses
Florida 8-0 0.0 None
SEC West


Alabama 7-0 0.0 None

Florida will play Alabama in the SEC Championship Game.

The race for the top non-automatic qualifying team

TCU has taken a commanding lead for that spot reserved for those without a conference automatic qualification Boise State is next in line if they lose.  A Boise State loss would clinch a BCS berth for TCU, unless they lose to both Wyoming and New Mexico.

Guarantee clause for #3 and #4 Spots

It is likely the loser of the SEC championship game will gain an automatic qualification in this manner.

If Cincinnati loses and both TCU and Boise State win out, the loser of the SEC championship game could possibly fall to #5 and put TCU and Boise State at #3 and #4.  A Georgia Tech loss might be needed as well.  As it is currently worded, only teams from conferences with an automatic qualification would qualify for this exception.  I frankly don't think this case was seriously entertained prior to my post last week and suspect that this rule may be clarified after the First Selection Teleconference on November 24th.

Either way, if this event happens and both don't get an invite things might get heated for the BCS folks.  They might choose to avoid this and select the second as an at-large.  Rumors of the Fiesta Bowl entertaining the thought of a Pointsettia Bowl rematch if Texas goes to the NCG and a second Big 12 team is not available.

The race for the three remaining the at-large berths

The loser of the SEC championship game will likely get an at-large berth if they don't get an automatic berth for being in the top 4.  This will eliminate all remaining SEC teams from consideration.

The Big 10 is a favorite of the bowls and Penn State, Iowa and Wisconsin are all still very much in the running for an at-large spot.  At least one should finish in the top 14 and once one is selected the rest would be eliminated from consideration.

The final BCS slot is very much up in the air.

If Georgia Tech losses the ACC championship game they would likely get a spot here. Virginia Tech is on deck for an at-large spot as well.  Miami would need some serious help to get in.

Oregon and Arizona still control there own fate for a Rose Bowl berth.  Should Arizona win the PAC 10, Oregon could hang around with a win over Oregon State. If Stanford can handle California that should qualify them as a second eligible PAC 10 team.  Oregon State can become a contender if they take down Oregon.  USC can get into the top 14 but would need a lot to happen.

The Big East runner up will likely be eligible, but would not likely be selected.

If Oklahoma State can beat both Colorado (expected) and Oklahoma (less expected) they would be eligible as well.

Boise State or a one loss TCU would be eligible as well.  The eventual winner of the Utah @ BYU game should become eligible as well.

An undefeated Boise State might be selected here even if other options are available.  The Fiesta Bowl would likely be making this final selection and the Big East does not travel well to the west coast.  USC fans tend to be fickle and travel less when it has been a disappointing year.  Boise State would be an excellent sell nationally, especially if the Fiesta Bowl can market a battle of undefeated teams in TCU vs. Boise State. A loss by Oklahoma State would help Boise State's chances here significantly.

This would also allow two teams from non-automatic qualifying conferences to participate in the same year and mitigate against arguments about the fairness of the BCS selection process.  It would also highlight the need for at least a plus-one.

For a bowl originally formed to allow the WAC champion to have a guaranteed bowl, a battle of the MWC vs. WAC champions would run deep into the Fiesta Bowl's roots.

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Although I would be very happy for a deserving Boise State team to get a BCS invite, a matchup with TCU would be abysmal from my point of view. Both teams would benefit much more from the ratings, exposure, and ticket sales of playing a larger school, particularly in a winning effort. A Boise State/TCU III match would likely be a great game, but if the BCS title game features Texas and SEC champ who are both undefeated, the “We should be champions” argument loses some steam without the opportunity to show up the SEC Championship game loser worse than the winner did, or beat a historical powerhouse like Penn State. A matchup for TCU against the SEC Championship game loser (Florida, ideally) and for Boise State against an undefeated Cincinnati would be a dream come true from where I’m sitting.

by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 15, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Though I don’t really see a way for a Boise State vs. Cincinnati game to happen.

Wouldn’t the BCS like to make the “we should be champions” argument lose some steam? Think about that one for a second.

Right now I see the bowl selection going like this:

Guaranteed spots:
NCG: SEC #1 vs. Texas
Rose: PAC 10#1 vs. Ohio State
Orange: Gets Georgia Tech or Clemson

NCG Replacements:
Sugar: Takes SEC #2
Fiesta: Takes Oklahoma State or TCU

At-Large placements:
Orange: Takes Cincinnati or Big 10 #2
Sugar: Takes (TCU if Cincinnati and TCU are not yet placed), ACC #2 or Big 10 #2
Fiesta: Takes (TCU or Cincinnati certain if not placed yet), PAC 10 #2, Oklahoma State or Boise State

If Oklahoma State loses Boise State’s BCS chances go way up and a Fiesta Bowl repeat of last year’s Poinsettia Bowl (or the 2003 Fort Worth Bowl) is likely.

NCG: Alabama vs. Texas
Rose: Arizona vs. Ohio State
Orange: Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati
Sugar: Florida vs. Iowa (I’ll play nice:)
Fiesta: TCU vs. Boise State.

I am starting to think a Texas and Cincinnati loss might put TCU in the NCG. Easier said than done.

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by utesfan100 on Nov 16, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Texas has had a really rough time with the Aggies these last few years, losing 2/3, and even in the 2005 National Championship season A&M almost pulled the upset. Stranger things have certainly happened. And Cincinnati still has their real test of the season with Pitt to come. As a TCU fan I’ve been accustomed to be pessimistic, but I still feel that there is another shoe yet to drop in this thing. Whether it be ‘bama losing to Auburn, an inexplicable Florida gaffe against the Seminoles or the Horns dropping one in College station, things have gone too easily for the top three, and I can’t see it continuing through to the end.

by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oklahoma was not easy for Texas. Winning by 10 against TT was not that easy either.

"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell

by Mulliganville on Nov 16, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, Oklahoma wasn’t easy for Texas, and neither was Tech. They should’ve been, considering the eggs Tech and 0U have laid since then.

I was stating from a point of “How often have three of the top 5 teams in the nation from week 1 gone undefeated to championship game week?” Nothing springs to mind. The closest I can think of is the start to finish USC/Texas season in ‘05, and that doesn’t take any other team into account.

by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 17, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

As a general fan of college football, I would much rather see a TCU/Boise/Cinci v. Florida game rather than TCU v. Boise. I want to see how the non or lower BSC teams stake up against ‘the big boy’ programs. Whoever wins a TCU v. Boise matchup wouldn’t really prove anything to show they can compete nationally with the historical programs. Games like Boise v. OU and Utah v. Alabama were great because they actual showed this on the field.

Based on the selection process, this is probably not possible though. Disappointing

by Bingham Lab on Nov 16, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boise vs. Cincy has ZERO appeal on a national scale. As does TCU/Ga Tech

After 1 and 2, the BCS is not about being fair…it is about filling ad space and seats and getting viewers to tune in. Boise vs. Penn State has appeal…TCU vs. Bama/FL loser has appeal…a 2 loss Iowa team just has zero national appeal.

"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." - Will Muschamp
"Somebody will always break your records. It is how you live that counts." - Earl Campbell

by Mulliganville on Nov 16, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but...

I’m not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that TCU/Boise against Cincy/Ga Tech may not happen because of the lack of appeal?

If so, it would be interesting to see if you are right. Somehow, I doubt it, however. It really is a no win situation for TCU/Boise. The bowls may not choose them because of a perceived lack of notoriety, and if you do get a TCU/Boise, or TCU/Ga Tech, and/or Boise/Cincy matchups no one will watch since they lack the intrigue. Then the BCS can say, “I told you so” to continue their self fulfilling prophecy.

I hope that the bowls realize that Cinderellas are a draw and the fact that Boise and TCU are undefeated makes them go against the grain. I was in Fort Worth for the TCU/Utah game last Saturday and I saw a lot of passion from their fans. Not to mention that TCU is a private school and seems to have some money (based on the alumni I met and the neighborhood TCU is in) meaning they can expect some good traveling. I’m not sure how many Penn State fans will travel since they have underachieved this year (I know they still will, but not like they would for the Rose Bowl).

If anything, I would think that Boise State would be an interesting draw either way. Most college football fans know the name now since the Oklahoma game. So maybe they would have some appeal as a Goliath killer. Let’s hope so for the national college football fan. I mean, would they really sacrifice national attention? Maybe, I guess. As always, it comes down to the dollar signs.

by rencito on Nov 16, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tcu vs. bsu

Please no.That would be terrible for both schools. I believe fiesta picks last so they could replace with boise and the rose can’t take TCU, orange will take big east the question is does the sugar want Iowa, Penn St, or TCU.

by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 16, 2009 5:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

OK State win would require two Texas losses...
Texas can clinch the Big 12 South with a win or an Oklahoma State loss. Otherwise Oklahoma State will win the Big 12 South.

Actually, if this tie-breaker rule is still current (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=1546006) then the second half of the quote above is in error. A Texas loss (assuming OSU wins out) leaves both at 7-1. And the first tie-breaker is the head-to-head (which Texas wins).

It is true that Texas clinches with a UT win or an OSU loss — but a failure to clinch this week does not result in an OSU winning the division.

by TexasTwister on Nov 16, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Another small correction

The “picking order” of the 3 bowls, after the NC game is decided and their replacements selected, is:

1. Orange
2. Fiesta
3. Sugar

This is based on the date of each game, as spelled out on the bcs site…..

http://www.bcsfootball.org/cfb/story/10235282/How-do-teams-qualify-for-BCS-games?

So if SEC Champ is #1 and UT is #2, here is the picking order.

1. Sugar — to replace SEC Champ
2. Fiesta – to replace Big 12 Champ
3. Orange
4. Fiesta
5. Sugar

Regardless, the big question will be the Fiesta Bowl’s 1st decision. After Sugar takes the Bama/Gator loser, Fiesta has a choice, probably b/w Big 10 vs TCU. Will be interesting to see how the bowls fall…..

As a mid-major fan, as well as a national college fan, I also would think the BSU-TCU is a bad outcome……I’d like to see these teams get chances against bigger schools, like everyone else. Hopefully the ppl in charge realize this, cuz the BCS site clearly says matchups may be changed:

“Whether alternative pairings may have greater or lesser appeal to college football fans as measured by expected ticket sales for the bowls and by expected television interest, and the consequent financial impact on Fox and the bowls.”

They don’t hide the fact that money talks, do they?

by ankeith15 on Nov 17, 2009 12:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is correct. This is why I can see the non-BCS school playing Bama/Florida in the Sugar Bowl this year as they end up with the last selection. TCU might be chosen earlier, but if Iowa/Penn St is chosen by Fiesta as replacement for Texas, I can see Cincinnati end up in the Orange and the Sugar getting the last pick, which would be the TCU AQ.

by talonk on Nov 17, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

The Fiesta probably takes Okie State if they’re available, so selecting Iowa/Penn State pretty much assumes they’re not. If Wiscy jumps VT to replace them in the top 14 (and Iowa and Penn State and LSU stay in the top 14), the the Cinci/Pitt winner probably does go to the Orange because the only options are the Cinci/Pitt winner, the Cinci/Pitt loser, TCU, and Boise. I’d guess they probably take the Big East champ in that scenario, but don’t like it.

If Virginia Tech replaces Okie State in the top 14 and the Fiesta selects Iowa/Penn State, the Orange Bowl sends a lot of nasty letters to the Fiesta Bowl and then selects the Big East champ.

by drothgery on Nov 19, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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